Over the past few years, the New York Times Magazine's Jenna Wortham has established herself as one of the most stimulating and stylish writers on technology, media, race, sexuality, and anything else she puts her mind to.

This special episode of Chapter & Verse comes from a conversation between Wortham and Nadia Ellis (English). Wortham recounts her own development as a journalist; reflects on the challenges — psychological and even physical — of reporting on our often toxic political scene; and sketches some of the blind spots of the high tech industry.